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8726 18th October 2025 21:37:58 UTC TdG climb Victorian Overmantel notes_pretty
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<p>A diminutive put perfect mantel problem from <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>. Dawes mantled the sloping shelf, pressing it out directly; others have used heels, pebbles or other holds to try and avoid the eye-popping move. </p> <p>Some commentary from Dawes here: <a href="https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152">What's the world's hardest mantle?</a></p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152">https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152</a></p>
8727 18th October 2025 21:37:58 UTC TdG climb Victorian Overmantel notes
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A diminutive put perfect mantel problem from [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes). Dawes mantled the sloping shelf, pressing it out directly; others have used heels, pebbles or other holds to try and avoid the eye-popping move. Some commentary from Dawes here: [What's the world's hardest mantle?](https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152) ### References [1] [https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152](https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152)
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+A diminutive put perfect mantel problem from [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes). Dawes mantled the sloping shelf, pressing it out directly; others have used heels, pebbles or other holds to try and avoid the eye-popping move.
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+Some commentary from Dawes here: [What's the world's hardest mantle?](https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152)
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+### References
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+[1] [https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152](https://youtu.be/IGuGjtuUiI0?t=152)
8728 18th October 2025 16:32:57 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes_pretty
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.</p> <p><a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]</p> <p>1996 Chatsworth guide description:</p> <blockquote> <p>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a</p> <p>A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.</p> </blockquote> <p>In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <p>Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of <a href="/climb/3198/velvet-silence">Velvet Silence</a> is greater.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p> <p>[2] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475</a></p>
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.</p> <p><a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]</p> <p>1996 Chatsworth guide description:</p> <blockquote> <p>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a</p> <p>A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.</p> </blockquote> <p>In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <p>Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further right, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of <a href="/climb/3198/velvet-silence">Velvet Silence</a> is greater.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p> <p>[2] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475</a></p>
8729 18th October 2025 16:32:57 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes
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Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof. [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2] 1996 Chatsworth guide description: >The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a >A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all. In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater. ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1) [2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
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Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof. [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2] 1996 Chatsworth guide description: >The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a >A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all. In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further right, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater. ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1) [2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
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> I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]

-Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater.
+Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further right, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater.

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8730 18th October 2025 16:31:51 UTC TdG media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5416X0ID1zU&t=676 embed_code
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8731 18th October 2025 16:31:51 UTC TdG media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5416X0ID1zU&t=676 missing_right_to_reproduce
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8732 18th October 2025 16:31:51 UTC TdG media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5416X0ID1zU&t=676 url
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8733 18th October 2025 16:31:50 UTC TdG ascent Johnny Dawes's ascent of The Angel's Share notes
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Originally climbed without pads at E8.
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Straight up the centre of the slab, Dawes reckoned the climbing would be worth 8A. Climbed without pads – after top-roping but with no falls – and graded E8 7a. ### References [1] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=676](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=676)
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-Originally climbed without pads at E8.
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8734 18th October 2025 16:31:50 UTC TdG ascent Johnny Dawes's ascent of The Angel's Share notes_pretty
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8.</p>
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<p>Straight up the centre of the slab, Dawes reckoned the climbing would be worth 8A. Climbed without pads – after top-roping but with no falls – and graded E8 7a. </p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=676">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=676</a></p>
8735 18th October 2025 16:31:50 UTC TdG ascent Johnny Dawes's ascent of The Angel's Share suggested_grade_id
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8736 18th October 2025 16:27:33 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes
Before
Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof. [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2] 1996 Chatsworth guide description: >The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a >A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all. In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater. ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1) [2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
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Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof. [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2] 1996 Chatsworth guide description: >The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a >A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all. In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater. ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1) [2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
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1996 Chatsworth guide description:
>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a
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>A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.

In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay):
8737 18th October 2025 16:27:33 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes_pretty
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.</p> <p><a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]</p> <p>1996 Chatsworth guide description:</p> <blockquote> <p>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.</p> </blockquote> <p>In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <p>Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of <a href="/climb/3198/velvet-silence">Velvet Silence</a> is greater.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p> <p>[2] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475</a></p>
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.</p> <p><a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]</p> <p>1996 Chatsworth guide description:</p> <blockquote> <p>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a</p> <p>A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.</p> </blockquote> <p>In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <p>Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of <a href="/climb/3198/velvet-silence">Velvet Silence</a> is greater.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p> <p>[2] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475</a></p>
8738 18th October 2025 16:27:19 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes_pretty
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large chipped runnel to get established on the base of the slab.</p> <p>Originally the line climbed slightly left of where it currently does, utilising a tiny pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p>
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<p>Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.</p> <p><a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">Johnny Dawes</a>' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]</p> <p>1996 Chatsworth guide description:</p> <blockquote> <p>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.</p> </blockquote> <p>In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. <a href="/climber/597/tom-de-gay">Tom de Gay</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>I believe <a href="/climber/561/johnny-dawes">JD</a> went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]</p> </blockquote> <p>Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of <a href="/climb/3198/velvet-silence">Velvet Silence</a> is greater.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1">https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1</a></p> <p>[2] <a href="https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475">https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475</a></p>
8739 18th October 2025 16:27:19 UTC TdG climb The Angel's Share notes
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Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large chipped runnel to get established on the base of the slab. Originally the line climbed slightly left of where it currently does, utilising a tiny pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1)
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Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof. [Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2] 1996 Chatsworth guide description: >The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a >A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all. In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay): > I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1] Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater. ### References [1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1) [2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
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-Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large chipped runnel to get established on the base of the slab.
+Originally climbed without pads at E8. As with other lines on this bloc it utilises a large carved runnel to get established on the base of the slab. The runnel is believed to be a historical 'drip edge detail' for a dwelling or shelter that once stood under the roof.

-Originally the line climbed slightly left of where it currently does, utilising a tiny pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay):
+[Johnny Dawes](/climber/561/johnny-dawes)' original line climbed the centre of the slab. He has since said this was worth Font 8A. [2]
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+1996 Chatsworth guide description:
+>The Angel's Share 7m, E8 7a
+>A contender for the hardest route in the area. From the gutter, climb the blank-looking slab directly up its centre with great confidence and total disbelief! Considering the length of this route, the grade 'says' it all.
+
+In 1998 the centre line lost a pebble. [Tom de Gay](/climber/597/tom-de-gay):

> I believe [JD](/climber/561/johnny-dawes) went further left, but there used to be a handy micro-pebble which I unfortunately removed whilst soloing it, with my right hand on the slopey top, to the left of the seam. c.1998 [1]

+Subsequent ascensionists have taken lines further left, where the slab is slightly less steep, but the temptation to reach for the arete of [Velvet Silence](/climb/3198/velvet-silence) is greater.
+
### References

-[1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1)
+[1] [https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C53smFWt6jZ/?img_index=1)
+
+[2] [https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475](https://youtu.be/5416X0ID1zU?t=475)
8740 17th October 2025 20:51:58 UTC TdG ascent Ron Fawcett's ascent of Profit of Doom Ascent #
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