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5141 20th March 2026 09:39:36 UTC TdG climber Christophe Bichet Podcast
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5142 20th March 2026 09:37:48 UTC TdG ascent Philippe Le Denmat's ascent of Enigma ascent_dt_end
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5143 20th March 2026 09:36:24 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes
Before
One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in [Philippe Le Denmat](/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat)'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide. Prior to the vandalism [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rated 8B. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
After
One of the first problems in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau), to be given 8B, alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in [Philippe Le Denmat](/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat)'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide. Prior to the vandalism, [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rating it 8B/+. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
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-One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]
+One of the first problems in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau), to be given 8B, alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off holds with a hammer. [1]

The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right.

Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in [Philippe Le Denmat](/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat)'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide.

-Prior to the vandalism [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rated 8B.
+Prior to the vandalism, [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rating it 8B/+.

### References
5144 20th March 2026 09:36:24 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes_pretty
Before
<p>One of the first 8Bs in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a> alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] </p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in <a href="/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat" rel="noopener noreferrer">Philippe Le Denmat</a>'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <p>Prior to the vandalism <a href="/climber/526/fred-nicole" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fred Nicole</a> climbed a <a href="/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)" rel="noopener noreferrer">sitstart</a>, rated 8B. </p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
After
<p>One of the first problems in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a>, to be given 8B, alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off holds with a hammer. [1] </p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in <a href="/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat" rel="noopener noreferrer">Philippe Le Denmat</a>'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <p>Prior to the vandalism, <a href="/climber/526/fred-nicole" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fred Nicole</a> climbed a <a href="/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)" rel="noopener noreferrer">sitstart</a>, rating it 8B/+. </p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
5145 20th March 2026 09:32:01 UTC TdG climb Fatman grade
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8B
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8A+
5146 20th March 2026 09:32:01 UTC TdG climb Fatman grade_id
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39
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38
5147 20th March 2026 09:31:49 UTC TdG climb Gourmandise See Also
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5148 20th March 2026 09:31:39 UTC TdG climb Gourmandise See Also
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5140
5149 20th March 2026 09:30:53 UTC TdG climb Gourmandise See Also
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792
5150 20th March 2026 09:30:36 UTC TdG climb Gourmandise notes
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Right of [Fatman](/climb/792/fatman) (8A+), start standing at the back of the roof with the first underclings on the right. Traverse along the lip of the roof and finish via the left arête. Often started from a move in at 8A+: [Gourmandise Raccourci](/climb/5140/gourmandise-raccourci). The climb has become the popular solution to the roof, since [Fatman](/climb/792/fatman) was vandalised.
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+Right of [Fatman](/climb/792/fatman) (8A+), start standing at the back of the roof with the first underclings on the right. Traverse along the lip of the roof and finish via the left arête.
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+Often started from a move in at 8A+: [Gourmandise Raccourci](/climb/5140/gourmandise-raccourci).
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+The climb has become the popular solution to the roof, since [Fatman](/climb/792/fatman) was vandalised.
5151 20th March 2026 09:30:36 UTC TdG climb Gourmandise notes_pretty
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<p>Right of <a href="/climb/792/fatman" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fatman</a> (8A+), start standing at the back of the roof with the first underclings on the right. Traverse along the lip of the roof and finish via the left arête.</p> <p>Often started from a move in at 8A+: <a href="/climb/5140/gourmandise-raccourci" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise Raccourci</a>.</p> <p>The climb has become the popular solution to the roof, since <a href="/climb/792/fatman" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fatman</a> was vandalised. </p>
5152 20th March 2026 09:27:41 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes_pretty
Before
<p>One of the first 8Bs in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a> alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]</p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
After
<p>One of the first 8Bs in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a> alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] </p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in <a href="/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat" rel="noopener noreferrer">Philippe Le Denmat</a>'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <p>Prior to the vandalism <a href="/climber/526/fred-nicole" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fred Nicole</a> climbed a <a href="/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)" rel="noopener noreferrer">sitstart</a>, rated 8B. </p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
5153 20th March 2026 09:27:41 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes
Before
One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
After
One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in [Philippe Le Denmat](/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat)'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide. Prior to the vandalism [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rated 8B. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
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-One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]
+One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]

The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right.

-Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide.
+Fatman is graded 8A+ on bleau.info and in [Philippe Le Denmat](/climber/1088/philippe-le-denmat)'s guide 'Cent ans d'escalade au Cuvier Rempart', but 8B in the 7+8 guide.
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+Prior to the vandalism [Fred Nicole](/climber/526/fred-nicole) climbed a [sitstart](/climb/5569/fatman-(assis)), rated 8B.

### References
5154 20th March 2026 09:23:23 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes
Before
One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof. Since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
After
One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1] The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right. Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide. ### References [1] [https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442](https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442) > Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable. > The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog. > After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not. > This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local [Jacky Godoffe](/climber/642/jacky-godoffe). It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough." > Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man." > Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment. > -- Baptiste Briand
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One of the first 8Bs in [Fontainebleau](/list/31/fontainebleau) alongside [Enigma](/climb/3259/enigma). In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]

-The problem took a left-hand line through the roof. Since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right.
+The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by [Gourmandise](/climb/2510/gourmandise) (8B), taking a line a little to the right.

Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide.
5155 20th March 2026 09:23:23 UTC TdG climb Fatman notes_pretty
Before
<p>One of the first 8Bs in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a> alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]</p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof. Since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
After
<p>One of the first 8Bs in <a href="/list/31/fontainebleau" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fontainebleau</a> alongside <a href="/climb/3259/enigma" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enigma</a>. In 2001 a disgruntled local destroyed the problem by knocking off many of the holds with a hammer. [1]</p> <p>The problem took a left-hand line through the roof, starting on a mono in the middle. Unrepeated since the vandalism, it has been superseded by <a href="/climb/2510/gourmandise" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gourmandise</a> (8B), taking a line a little to the right.</p> <p>Currently graded 8A+ on bleau.info, but 8B in the 7+8 guide.</p> <h3>References</h3> <p>[1] <a href="https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/rock_talk/karma_chipped_in_font-3742?v=1#x55442</a></p> <blockquote> <p>Fontainebleau is in mourning. No one has died, but some of the area's best problems have been terribly vandalized. The action was deliberate and premeditated, targeting a handful of classics in two of the most popular areas. At Cuvier, holds have been hammered off Fatman, Antithèse, Infidèle, Carnage, and Boucherie. The extent of the damage varies. On Carnage and Boucherie only the first holds have been destroyed, but Fatman, the first 8b (V13) in the forest, has been almost completely obliterated -- only the first one-finger pocket remains. At Apremont two famous 7a's (V5s) have been attacked; Médaille en Chocolat and La Dalle du Dromadaire are now unclimbable.</p> <p>The vandal is known. Tragically, he is a keen Fontainebleau boulderer -- although his action did not stem from any incident in the forest. Described by acquaintances as psychologically fragile, "Luc" (at this time locals do not want release his full name for fear of reprisals) had worked for two years at a rock gym in nearby Melun. According to users of the gym, he felt he was being exploited and possibly underpaid, and allegedly started stealing holds and other items from the premises. When the gym owners confronted him, he became angry and threatened to "break everything in the forest." Later the owners filed a complaint with the police and Luc carried out his threat. The day after the complaint, Luc went to the boulders with a hammer. Several climbers witnessed his actions but were unable to intervene. Luc is a big man and was allegedly armed and trailed by a large dog.</p> <p>After the chipping, locals filed a complaint against Luc with the National Forest Office. Ironically, although damaging trees on public land in Fontainebleau would be a criminal act, damaging rocks is not.</p> <p>This is not the first time problems have been chipped or altered at Fontainebleau, but it is the most systematic act of vandalism. "Even if nobody has been killed, it is like a little bit of our history has died," says local <a href="/climber/642/jacky-godoffe" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jacky Godoffe</a>. It may be possible to recreate some of the destroyed holds, but many locals believe the damaged problems should not be fixed. "It would leave the rocks vulnerable to bad or inaccurate repairs," says Godoffe. "They have suffered enough."</p> <p>Godoffe believes the saddest part of the episode is "the despair of this man."</p> <p>Luc is now reported to be undergoing psychiatric treatment.</p> <p>-- Baptiste Briand</p> </blockquote>
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5159 19th March 2026 21:50:35 UTC TdG climber Landers Gaydosh notes
Before
Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of 3 in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing 5th. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing [Moonlight Buttress](/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress) (E6) at the age of 13, [The Big Smile](/climb/3425/the-big-smile) (8c) and [Transience](/climb/3936/transience) (8B+).
After
Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of three in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing fifth. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing [Moonlight Buttress](/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress) (E6) at the age of 13, [The Big Smile](/climb/3425/the-big-smile) (8c) and [Transience](/climb/3936/transience) (8B+).
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-Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of 3 in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing 5th. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing [Moonlight Buttress](/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress) (E6) at the age of 13, [The Big Smile](/climb/3425/the-big-smile) (8c) and [Transience](/climb/3936/transience) (8B+).
+Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of three in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing fifth. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing [Moonlight Buttress](/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress) (E6) at the age of 13, [The Big Smile](/climb/3425/the-big-smile) (8c) and [Transience](/climb/3936/transience) (8B+).
5160 19th March 2026 21:50:35 UTC TdG climber Landers Gaydosh notes_pretty
Before
<p>Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of 3 in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing 5th. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing <a href="/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moonlight Buttress</a> (E6) at the age of 13, <a href="/climb/3425/the-big-smile" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Big Smile</a> (8c) and <a href="/climb/3936/transience" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transience</a> (8B+).</p>
After
<p>Landers Gaydosh is a younger climber who started at the age of three in a family-owned gym that his father worked at in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Landers family moved to the Asheville, NC area where Landers would find his love for climbing outdoors. Landers spent most of his time bouldering and trad climbing at Rumbling Bald and on Looking Glass Rock in the Pisgah National Forest. Currently he is based out of the Salt Lake, Utah area where he has excelled in all disciplines of climbing. At the age of 12 he became a world champion in ice climbing and has won multiple USA Climbing youth national championships in sport climbing. In the summer of 2025 he participated in the IFSC Youth World Championships in bouldering, placing fifth. Some of his notable outdoor ascents are freeing <a href="/climb/2288/moonlight-buttress" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moonlight Buttress</a> (E6) at the age of 13, <a href="/climb/3425/the-big-smile" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Big Smile</a> (8c) and <a href="/climb/3936/transience" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transience</a> (8B+).</p>

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