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By Mattsparksy at 20:35:18 UTC on 13th March 2026.

Why is this down for 1994 on here but 2003 on ukc, wouldn't this make it the first 8B+ by 2 years?

Post #1 by Mattsparksy OP at 20:35:18 UTC on 13th March 2026.

It seems it was certainly come before 2003, with forum discussion in 2001, an Wikipedia giving it 1994.

Do we have a reference for this and should it get a trav grade?

Post #2 by Mattsparksy OP at 20:55:45 UTC on 13th March 2026.

I was reading about it in OTE in the mid 90s. Malc did a good write up. I would assume 9a.

Post #3 by TdG at 21:35:55 UTC on 13th March 2026.

This post was deleted at 22:29:03 UTC on 13th March 2026 by remus.

Post #4 by TdG at 21:35:56 UTC on 13th March 2026.

‘The version without these rules is Lothlorian’ sounds incorrect. I think Lothlorian also might have the same rules but is a shorter line.

Post #5 by TdG at 21:41:01 UTC on 13th March 2026.

The UKC write up on this seems to be riddled with inaccuracies it seems

Post #6 by Mattsparksy OP at 22:16:21 UTC on 13th March 2026.

Lothlorian finished up the Yorkshireman it seems. I will give it a Trav grade of 9a for now

Post #7 by Mattsparksy OP at 22:24:54 UTC on 13th March 2026.

If you could dig out the OTE article that would be great btw.

Post #8 by Mattsparksy OP at 22:26:12 UTC on 13th March 2026.

My OTEs went in the bin a long time ago 😢

Post #9 by TdG at 22:27:33 UTC on 13th March 2026.

1994 is based on some emails I swapped with Malc, had it in at 2003 so he was correcting. Great effort for the time.

Post #10 by remus at 22:30:51 UTC on 13th March 2026.

Absolutely. I’ll add it as a reference, maybe change it on UKC as well Remus? (avoids confusion if there’s ever a Rockfax Northumberland guide)

Post #11 by Mattsparksy OP at 23:18:39 UTC on 13th March 2026.

Good shout, updated UKC.

Post #12 by remus at 23:38:15 UTC on 13th March 2026.