Sport route?!

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By TdG at 14:23:45 on 26th January 2026.

We have this down as a sport route. V5 highball might make more sense.

Post #1 by TdG OP at 14:23:45 on 26th January 2026.

I think you're right that sport route is wrong, but I feel like calling it a V5 highball doesn't really do it justice for the style John did it in. Given it doesn't get done very often now (as far as Im aware) I'd be tempted to call it E5 or something?

Post #2 by remus at 14:40:04 on 26th January 2026.

Sounds fair. Looks even gnarlier with the original fence in the landing zone.

Post #3 by TdG OP at 15:36:14 on 26th January 2026.

Nice write up 💪

Post #4 by remus at 15:45:41 on 26th January 2026.

Maybe E5 is a bit stingy. It's 5.12 according to Mountain Project, making it E8 according to e-grader. Sounds harder than your average grit E5 micro route. Any intel @duncancritchley?

Post #5 by TdG OP at 15:51:47 on 26th January 2026.

Classic micro-route issues I guess. Might fall off it and walk away with a few bruises, or might land badly and end your climbing career. E6 could be appropriate though, from some of John's writing it sounds like there's some hard moves pretty high up.

Also hardly needs saying, but E6 in '61 is an amazine effort.

Post #6 by remus at 15:56:41 on 26th January 2026.

Perhaps analogous to something like Great Flake at Caley?

Post #7 by remus at 16:01:25 on 26th January 2026.

That sounds about right.

Post #8 by TdG OP at 16:27:54 on 26th January 2026.

Write-up looks good. I'm not an expert on where highballs stop and micro routes start but my unqualified opinion is this must be harder than E5. Needles climbing is generally quite hard to onsight, being a sea of quartz crystals which are not immune to breaking unexpectedly, adding to the difficulty.

Historically, it has been called the US's first 5.12 so I have added this to the notes.

Post #9 by duncancritchley at 18:02:31 on 26th January 2026.

I assume it's usually considered more 12- than 12+? That'd line up with the suggestions of 6C highball.

Post #10 by remus at 18:40:54 on 26th January 2026. Edited at 18:41:29 on 26th January 2026.

Added a vid of Chuck Fryberger bailing off the crux. It's very high. You wouldn't be walking away from that without a pad stack.

Post #11 by TdG OP at 10:01:47 on 27th January 2026.